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Notes go here 11:03:35 Welcome to vision forwards, tech, connect, live, connecting you to the world of assistive technology. 11:03:42 And now here are your hosts, Corey and Luke thank you for being here, so thank you for being here. 11:04:22 So thank you for being here. 11:04:28 So thank you for being here so thank you for being here. 11:04:34 So thank you for being here so thank you for being here. 11:04:41 So thank you for being here so thank you for being here it's it's been a wild ride through January and February. 11:04:56 That's a so innovative applause. Our live audience. 11:05:05 They are it's a it's so. They're no longer a live audience. So they are no longer a live audience. 11:05:26 If everybody is having an excellent day today, it is March second. 11:05:40 Can you believe that it's already East to season? It's been a. It's been a wild ride through January and February. 11:06:12 It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, I know that there was blizzard conditions, and that was a big thing in California. 11:06:16 And like, was it la, maybe, or somewhere, I don't think they did. 11:06:21 No. So yeah, if you're in la then let's know how happened. There. 11:06:25 But otherwise you can always just communicate other things in the chats, because we do love audience and participation, especially when we have guests on as we do today. 11:06:33 Today we are joined by a freak he is joining us from table, and he will make the table one a braille keyboard for smartphones, and we're gonna be talking all about that today. 11:06:45 Frank, if you would like to say Hello, there we go. We got exactly what we asked for break. We didn't find out. 11:06:46 Hello! Good afternoon. Morning! 11:06:51 Where? Where are you connecting for us? 11:06:52 I'm currently in the Netherlands in. It's like the South Midlands. 11:06:57 That's where I'm calling in from. Yeah. 11:06:57 South of the Netherlands okay, excellent, yes, very good. 11:07:01 Well, that sounds like a nice place to go on vacation, but we are stuck here in Milwaukee sadly but thankfully, due to the power of the Internet. 11:07:09 We are able to connect with you over all of that distance, and we're excited to hear today what you've got to tell us about the table one. 11:07:16 Now a quick question for you, because we didn't have long before the show to to talk about what was gonna happen. 11:07:22 Do you have a table? One braille keyboard with you? 11:07:25 Currently. 11:07:26 Yes, yes, I have one here in my hands right now. 11:07:29 So I have one. 11:07:29 Oh, wonderful! And I'm hoping we can get some kind of demonstration during the show today. 11:07:35 Yeah, of course. Of course. Happy, too. 11:07:34 Is that so? Is that gonna, be possible? Hey, yeah, okay, I'm all prepared yes, yes, that's like a prepared guest. 11:07:41 Me too. Me, too, all right, before we get into the meat and potatoes. 11:07:45 Of course we do have to have our joke section of the show. 11:07:49 Yes, everybody's favorite. Just before we do that, though I think it's no Amy apologies of my pronunciation is bad. 11:07:57 But no, Amy, I'm gonna go with that. Says we have slow flowers. 11:08:00 Slow flow is, we have snow flowries in L. Passo tacta, Texas. Wow! 11:08:05 Was it last year that Texas had the snow it was that it was not really snow. 11:08:08 It was the ice right where everything was freezing out right they, the grid, went down and used the flame throwers from helicopters on the winter buy, are you lying? Oh, yeah, they were iced over, and they have but tons of people's pipes exploded. 11:08:27 As they didn't have heat, and I don't think they weren't their pipes weren't kind of prepared. 11:08:31 Yeah, I will say one thing about the Midwest, even though the weather here sucks in the winter at least, it's just very well organized for that sucky weather. 11:08:41 Yeah, exactly. So like you get the snow plows out. The roads are cleared really quickly, and yeah, they do a really good job. So thank you. 11:08:46 To all of our all, of our industrious snow flowers, and other such people for doing such a wonderful job. 11:08:52 Do you think we have any people who drive snowplows listening to the show? 11:08:56 But I guess I've trained a lot of blind people, but no one's ever had a vocational goal to drive a snowplay. 11:09:06 That's interesting. We should probably push for that. 11:09:09 I think this is a good one would be pretty safe doing it. You got the biggest vehicle with a big I like out in front so you're not gonna hurt yourself, you know, if other people are gonna drive into you. 11:09:16 That's that will guess, and it's a short term employee alright. So jokes for today. I, as somebody reliably told me that it was sent Patrick say, coming up in a couple of weeks weekend is that so we're going to be a season. 11:09:29 During is it? Yeah, maybe. Thank you. Oh, is it the weekend that we get? 11:09:34 Remember. So the point is, I have a St. Patrick's Day joke prepared 11:10:01 Patrick drive all the snakes out of Ireland. 11:10:04 Hmm, because maybe he didn't like snakes. 11:10:07 Couldn't get a bus. I was gonna make a Druid joke, but you can. 11:10:16 Maybe he didn't like couldn't get a bus. I was gonna make a druid joke, but you can maybe tell me. 11:10:16 I have 0 clue where this is going. Yeah. 11:10:19 Hire, ran out of gas well, yeah, you basically drive the snake you know, you're on the exactly the right track. The answer was, it was too far to walk. 11:10:31 You're all on the exactly the right track. The answer was, it was too far to walk. Thank you. 11:10:35 They'll be here all week, or maybe it should have been Jonathan. I believe that you had a joke for us as well. 11:10:41 Yes, you know there was a newsletter that was being passed around saying that they were trying to get contestants for us. Yes, you know there was a newsletter that was being passed around saying that they were trying to get contestants for a tramp spring. 11:10:53 Time. Oh, okay. Get worse every single week. 11:11:04 It's so. I mean, you know what it takes talent to get jokes. 11:11:06 This bad every week, we should call. Tell me why so? And see if he wants to come on. 11:11:09 Oh, yeah, I think he is on the Sunday to fare me apart. 11:11:14 All right, Frank, so I let you tell us a little bit. 11:11:17 Why don't we start off with a little bit about the company which which you work for, which make it the handle? One? 11:11:22 And I believe the company is just called heel. If you'd like to tell me if I might, and tell us all about it. 11:11:27 Yeah, yeah, we're not very original. I think it's it's a typical book straight to just keep it very basic. 11:11:31 Hmm, yeah. Why not? 11:11:36 Yeah. Makes a lot of sense. 11:11:33 So go pretty school table. But it was our first 4 deck, so let's call it table One. 11:11:39 Yeah. So Uhable started around 4 years back. 11:11:43 So we're still considered the startup launched the 4 years back. So we're still consider the Startup Launch Company in an Ellen was launched by my co-founder and me. 11:11:53 comes from India, and has lived with his grandfather his whole life, and his grandfather is blind, and he saw first hand, like Hey Mike, and forgot to use his phone at all, and maybe there's something we can develop. 11:12:03 Very cool. 11:12:01 To make it easier for him. And that's the reason why we why we're here, why we started, and since then yeah, we've developed the able one initially as the first product. 11:12:13 Yep. 11:12:14 And that's been around 2 and a half years to develop it. 11:12:17 We launched it in September 2021, and now we're already in. 11:12:21 I think it's now 12 countries around the world where we're distributing it. 11:12:25 And we have thousands of happy users. So that's hmm! 11:12:26 That's really cool to hear. How did you meet with your co-founder? Then? 11:12:31 Yeah. So he was in a pitching competition as a startup competition. 11:12:36 And he was pitching really bad. So I told him, Hey, I can give you some advice. 11:12:40 So he didn't like me initially. 11:12:43 But no, we, that's where we met. And I said, Hey, I really like what you're doing. 11:12:48 I have some perception with it. Let's see if this is really a good idea. And if multiple people hate us when we're starting this. And that's how we got started, then, just both with the same motivation. Yeah. 11:12:57 Very cool. So for yourself, then this isn't. This isn't driven for you. 11:13:01 A per se from people that you know who are blind. You just saw it and thought that this was a great idea, and wanted to kind of roll with it. 11:13:09 Yeah, yeah, so luckily, we, I think a few weeks into like, working together, we just said, Okay, we really can't do this ourselves. 11:13:18 We just have to go to as many people we would want to use it as possible. 11:13:21 Yeah. 11:13:22 And that's what we did from the start and we're still doing. 11:13:26 Yeah, brilliant. 11:13:24 I still meet our users a few times a week that's our close by. Just to really say, what can be better, what do we need to update future products? 11:13:32 And that's, I think, been the reason why things are going so well just because of yours interacting so much with everyone that's using it. Yeah. 11:13:36 Yeah, I think that's very important. We were talking with Anatson, Norman last 2 weeks ago. 11:13:42 Hmm! 11:13:45 Yeah. 11:13:44 Yeah, and that as part of a company who have a phone called the real Sam. Yeah, you've got it. 11:13:50 Yeah. 11:13:50 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so, so, yeah, she was also saying the same thing with regards to end users and getting their feedback. 11:13:57 And you know, it's a really important part of the process, for sure. 11:14:00 I think that's it's such an important like, especially if you don't have. 11:14:03 If your founder or staff members aren't blind or visually impaired yet you're developing products for people who are going to use that people who are blind and visually impaired, you have to have that constant connection. 11:14:14 Yeah. 11:14:16 Otherwise, then you mean, how do you know what you're developing is the right thing? 11:14:22 Yup! 11:14:30 Excellent! 11:14:21 Yeah, also for us, we now growing as a company, and we were able to hire the first people, and we had to have people who themselves are visually impaired on our team because it's just crucial for us to grow. 11:14:34 And to make sure we're developing the right thing. 11:14:35 Yeah, that's that's really good to hear. 11:14:36 Yeah, yeah. 11:14:38 So how how many people do you have in the company at this time? 11:14:42 Oh, I hope I don't see it I think it's 9. 11:14:46 But yeah, yeah. 11:14:45 Okay, excellent, very good. And you're distributing in the, they say, 11 different countries. 11:14:51 Is that right in 12 countries? Wow, that's really pretty impressive. Yeah. 11:14:51 12. I think it is. Yes, yeah. So that's. 11:14:55 So I was on. I was on the website early on. And I did notice that. 11:14:59 Yes, when you, when you click on the the buy button, it brings up a list of different countries, and then you can choose a country that you're in, so you can find a suitable suitable distributors. 11:15:09 Exactly. Yeah. 11:15:09 So very nice. Yep. And I did also notice the website was available in English and French, yeah, is that for the Canadian market or? 11:15:18 Yeah, parsley. So we're both in France and in Canada. 11:15:22 Uhhuh. 11:15:22 But to be honest, the reason why, that's the G, because we just switched our website. 11:15:26 I think 3 weeks back, and we're still we still need to also bring in the other like cause. 11:15:31 We had 6 or 7 languages. So when you still need to bring them back, yeah. 11:15:30 Okay, I got you, yeah, yeah, sure. Okay, I understand. Cool. So just I'm gonna put this in the chat right now. 11:15:37 Seems that we're talking about it. So the the web address is, I am able.com. Is that correct? 11:15:41 Yes. Exactly. Yeah. 11:15:45 Yes. 11:15:42 Yes, I am. Andable is h a, b, l, E. And is that? Is that an acronym at all? 11:15:49 Is that stamp for anything, or just? 11:15:51 Well how we came up with the name he was speaking. 11:15:53 Yeah. 11:15:55 Well, first of all, we just use Google. Translate it to some words in it, and then, you know, the language is still. 11:16:00 Something sounded nice. That's that's the almost answer. 11:16:00 Sounds like a a band name, Creator. 11:16:03 But what I? What I tell, yeah, but what we tell people is what we say. 11:16:10 So we have a Hubble, which in Spanish means speaking, and if we pronounce it likeable, it has able in there, because we enable people to use technology. 11:16:16 Yes, yeah, that makes sense. 11:16:18 So that's yeah. So I am able. I'm able to use technology. 11:16:22 That's where it's kind of cool. Yeah. 11:16:21 Very cool, so hold on, though. So are you telling me that the justification for the name came after you had decided what the name was isn't it? How much? 11:16:28 Usually this is last case I've been come on, that's I. 11:16:28 Hmm, yeah, it's like reverse engineering it a little bit. But please fix that when you want me. 11:16:33 It's like, somebody who interested in getting a tattoo. They pick the tattoo and then go. 11:16:39 This is what it means. Is that what you did with the all tattoos going? 11:16:43 No, not like that. Yeah. Cause yeah, it's like, when people come up with an acronym, cause it's a funny acronym. 11:16:50 And then they work the reverse engineer exactly. Well, it's a good name. 11:16:55 I like it. It rolls off the tongue, and it works works very well. 11:16:59 I think. And just before we dive into what it's all about, Corey and I are going to be at Sea Sun this year and season. 11:17:07 I think all of our participants will know about season. It's a big annual conference about assistive technology that's held in California. 11:17:14 This year. It's gonna be in Anaheim. 11:17:18 They used to be in San Diego. They moved. Yeah, it's been moved a few years ago, 5 years now, okay, yeah. And I haven't been since they were in Sunday. I have not been since San Diego as well. 11:17:28 So I'm quite excited about going. But yes, you guys are going to be there. 11:17:32 Freak correct, and what what booth are you gonna be in for? 11:17:34 People who are attending. 11:17:35 Yeah. So we're there again this year. 11:17:39 We were there last year for the first time this year. 11:17:41 I'm there on my own. I'm actually at a booth. I will be from the booth, from some of our distributors, so I'll be working in their book, showcasing. 11:17:47 Yeah, yeah. 11:17:45 Okay, got? You got? Yeah, okay? And do you know what the boost number is going to be off the top of your head or not? A problem. 11:17:50 I wouldn't know. No, no! 11:17:52 People people can find so I'm gonna say, Alright. 11:17:55 Find it best accent person. That's you here. I know you're fine. Yeah. 11:18:01 So if anybody is going to season, and they want to see this for themselves, and that will be a great place to do it all right. 11:18:08 So why don't you walk us through the table? One tell us a bit about the physical design, the concept, and then we can do some demonstrations. 11:18:15 Yeah, of course. So, well, I have tabled here in my hand, and it's around the same size as my phone. 11:18:22 So it's on iphone as you 2020. It's around the same size. 11:18:25 It's a little smaller. So it's a really small keyboard. What it looks like. 11:18:29 It is completely black, and it is 6 buttons in the white, and it's so. 11:18:35 It's around the same size as the phone. But you're not holding it the same way as phone. 11:18:38 So where a phone you would hold vertically aable one, you would turn 90 degrees, and then on one side you would have 8. 11:18:46 Okay. 11:18:45 Buttons. So 8 physical buttons are those buttons. They are turned away from you. 11:18:50 So it's a little bit like typing a brill on your iphone screen. 11:18:54 So a little bit like the Brill back typing but then, with physical buttons, then on the bottom, on the smaller side, Ifa USB. 11:19:07 Yup makes sense. 11:19:03 C Ching Port, and on the top I have on an off switch to the device and then there's a place where I can connect a wristband, so I doesn't fall out of my hands, and that's pretty much the device. 11:19:19 So how it looks. Yeah. 11:19:18 I have a quick question about about that, because we're in the pictures that I've seen. 11:19:27 Yes. 11:19:24 So the user is holding their smartphone landscape and then their fingers are resting on the braille keyboard, which makes perfect sense. 11:19:32 I was just wondering, does it connect to the back of the phone? 11:19:34 Somehow. Or how is that all working? 11:19:35 Yeah. So it doesn't right now. And the reason why it doesn't is because, well, first of all, you actually don't need to touch the phone at all, p she can control everything with just the able one. 11:19:44 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. 11:19:45 So both navigation and typing, and it becomes a little bit like to pick. So it's not reorganonomic when you put it on the back of your phone. 11:19:51 That makes sense. Yeah. 11:19:50 So as a stand alone. It's really nice. 11:19:52 You can use it for hours without it, hurting your fingers. 11:19:56 So that's why we didn't like it. Yeah. 11:19:56 Yeah, that makes perfect sense. So I do. So then I user would basically most likely have headphones in or whatever. 11:20:02 Yes. 11:20:02 And they would have the phone in their pocket, or whatever, and they'd just be controlling everything from the keyboard. There. 11:20:06 Exactly, so when you're in the train where you're outside, it doesn't really matter. 11:20:09 You can always use it. You don't need any desktop. Just hold the table on your your feedback for your phone. And that's how you use it to control your entire phone. Yeah. 11:20:18 Good. Okay? And there's there's kind of 2 main aspects of functionality. 11:20:21 So you have the control side of things whereby I know you guys have got a lot of shortcuts for carrying out various functions, and I'm hoping that you can show some of those. 11:20:31 And then we also have the text inputs side of things as well. 11:20:35 And I know definitely when it comes to text inputs on smartphones, it can be. 11:20:39 It can be challenging like, definitely, if you're trying to use the on screen keyboard. 11:20:42 That can be kind of slow going and difficult, although I will say, Corey Corey has got an uncanny way of locating the letters. 11:20:50 I really quickly. So I think with enough practice you can get good at it. 11:20:53 But it's not always ideal. And then also obviously built into some to most smartphones. 11:20:58 You're gonna have dictation side of things, and that is a great way to input text. 11:21:00 But also not always 100% accurate, and can be kind of frustrating. 11:21:07 Yeah. 11:21:06 So even feasible, some, yeah, yeah, yeah, depending on the environment you're in and stuff, and whether you have an Internet connection as well. 11:21:11 On your phone. So this is just this is really nice in terms of text input for giving, for giving braille users another way to input. 11:21:19 Text into their smartphone. 11:21:21 Yeah, so exactly. What you're saying is kind of has to use cases. 11:21:25 And we also see 2 types of people who really like they will. So on one side, it's typing. 11:21:31 And when you look at typing that kind of thing that's really for people that are that no Brill. 11:21:35 So they're real users. You just want to type fast on your phone in every situation when I have like, feel like you have control that then it's really a great solution for it. 11:21:43 The other group is actually a big group that's that's growing really fast for us right now, it's people who don't know any Brill. 11:21:49 So you don't know any real, but you have a little issues navigating the phone, just the swiping gestures lead to the problems. 11:21:55 Well, this is physical buttons, which makes it look easier to kind of. 11:21:58 Do those gestures. So that group will actually start for the reason of navigating their phone with the table. 11:22:03 And you can just dictate as typing. 11:22:05 Sure! 11:22:06 And slowly, be sure to actually that we will start to learn typing umbrella as well, almost without knowing it. Yeah. 11:22:11 I actually, I find that really fascinating and I'm really cool, you know, just that concept of kind of having an entryway for people to learn. 11:22:24 Yeah, yeah. 11:22:20 Braille, almost without, you know, meaning to do it in a way and I also, I mean, I think, back to I'm not a proficient braille, reader. 11:22:30 I have, like the daily living skill braille. So I'm enough that I'm going checking men's versus women's essentials. 11:22:36 Okay. 11:22:38 But really it, when I think back to my years learning Braille, learning the braille cells and stuff, was was easy writing braille on a braille writer was easy. 11:22:50 The real hard part of reading. Braille is a tactile piece of actually reading it with your fingers. 11:22:55 Yeah. 11:22:55 So I could see how people use a device like this would start to do Braille input and pick it up quite quickly, because really it all it is is just memorization I mean, is what it comes down to. 11:23:05 Yeah. 11:23:07 You don't have that tactile kind of concern in the beginning. 11:23:10 Yeah. 11:23:10 So. And so those people who are. Let's say that somebody who doesn't need braille, and they just started using the. And so those people who are, let's say that somebody who doesn't read braille and they just started using theable one. 11:23:30 Yeah, so, well, how we would teach someone that's new to you. 11:23:33 Say once, we don't have like a manual like regular productximum we have, we have a starting guide. 11:23:39 So we will really go like chapter per chapter and tell you, hey, you need these 5 functions, and you can already make a phone call or send a message with just these 5 phones. 11:23:45 Yeah. 11:23:50 Nice. 11:23:46 And then my kind of step by step, we would need to learn to use it, and for navigation, actually, you hardly need to. 11:23:55 You need to use some commands which can be translated back to Brill, but you don't even need to notice. 11:23:59 So, for example, what we always start with is this symbol a simple like single finger, swipe, so move forward or backwards on item. 11:24:07 And for that we, have those 2 like big navigation keys. 11:24:09 Yes. 11:24:10 So we have 6 real those. I mean to make navigation keys on a one, and those navigation keys are used to navigate. 11:24:16 So if I want to move an item for it, I would hold my left key. 11:24:20 I would just keep pressing it down and left, and and I press my right navigation key once and that's something I can repeat. 11:24:25 So every time I press it it will be a single finger slip forward, and if I wanna go backwards I mirror that. 11:24:32 So I hold my right Wiki and I press the back key once, and this is something. 11:24:36 When whenever you get a chance to have table in your own hands once it sounds a little weird when you do it once, it makes so much sense. 11:24:43 It's a super intuitive mood and comes back in all the navigation, all the kind of movements you want to do in your phone using enabled, yeah? 11:24:50 I was gonna ask you about that, because what was the what was the idea behind holding down the one button and tapping on the other rather than just taping on the direction you wanted to go in? 11:24:57 Yeah, so when we do that, we actually can put a little more functions into the same table. 11:25:09 Yeah, okay, yeah. 11:25:04 Because right now, if you if you press the left ignition once, it will be actually backspace, and the right ski is a space, and when we're holding it down and I press 7 in which would be a single figure slide. But what if I hold it down and I press 4 in text. 11:25:17 I actually move the character. So I can do that with multiple buttons. 11:25:20 And it's all in the same yeah mindset. So it's really. 11:25:22 That makes sense. So yeah, so you've always holding down something and doing something else. 11:25:26 Exactly. 11:25:26 So it's yeah. So it's keeping a consistency in in operation. 11:25:30 Yeah, that makes perfect sense. 11:25:29 Yeah, and it, yeah. And it's really so you have more functions. 11:25:33 It's consistent. It's quite intuitive to remember that way. Yeah. 11:25:40 Yeah. 11:25:36 Excellent, and we should say as well that this connects Via Bluetooth, and so, in terms of you know, if you get the device, then you'd need to charge it, connect it to your phone Via Bluetooth. 11:25:48 And I read on your website that the the battery life can go as long as a month. 11:25:52 Is that? Is that right? Oh, wow! 11:25:52 Yeah, yeah, it's even longer. So it's the number one support question we get from users is they call it, it doesn't work anymore. 11:26:01 And we tell them, have you charged it? And they say I wasn't aware you had to charge it, because it really like, if you use it every single day for around 2 h. 11:26:09 Then it lasts your month, so if you use it only 30 min a day, it can be months. 11:26:12 Yeah, last for longer. Yeah, yeah, that's that's really pretty handy. 11:26:14 Yeah, yeah. 11:26:17 How will to a full charge. Then, when you're charging it? 11:26:19 3. Hours. Max, yeah, yeah, yeah. 11:26:21 Oh, wow, okay, yeah, so that's that's definitely super handy. 11:26:26 Also I was wondering so obviously like people have other options. 11:26:30 If they wanna, you know input things into their phone in a different way. So you could connect to Bluetooth keyboard and or you could use, you know, a traditional braille display. 11:26:41 I'm guessing that the advantage of the table one is really the portability side of things is that. 11:26:45 Yeah, I think, I would say it's 2 things, cause I think every politician has their as their different views. 11:26:52 I think, indeed, one is support ability. You don't need a surface, you can really even use it while standing. And it's the full control. 11:26:59 And I think the second part where we're kind of unique is that we really focus on being simple tool learn like, easy to learn and being very intuitive. 11:27:04 Right. 11:27:06 But we're not necessarily the most efficient work. So, for example, I think with a brill display or it works, you can get to higher like you can type faster, or you can be more efficient. 11:27:16 If you really know all the functions, and we are more focus on, hey? 11:27:19 It should be easy to learn, like almost fun, to learn to use it. 11:27:23 So that's really where we try to position the product. 11:27:26 Yeah. And I'll be honest. I think that makes a lot of sense. 11:27:35 Okay. 11:27:29 I think the the market who use I mean, the market as a whole is very small, I think that makes a lot of sense. I think the market who use I mean the market as a whole is very small, but then the subset who's using an actual full refreshable braille 11:27:41 Yeah. 11:27:41 display is, I think, much smaller than the market. You're going after. 11:27:45 Who are the individuals who I'm not here to actually read Braille. 11:27:49 I'm really here to just find an alternative way to use my phone. 11:27:53 Exactly. Yeah. 11:28:00 Yeah, yeah. 11:27:54 You know, input-wise. So I think that totally, especially when you consider the braille displays cause thousands of people to use my phone. You know input-wise. So I think that's a good way to use my phone, you know input-wise, so I think that's what we're trying to do you know, that you're 11:28:15 Yeah. 11:28:15 not a big braille, reader? Yeah, awesome. Yeah. Okay. 11:28:17 Yes, correct. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah. 11:28:20 And if people wanna purchase, then they can. They can purchase directly from your website. 11:28:26 They have to go through distributors. Is that right? 11:28:26 Oh, you can't. Okay. Sorry. Okay. 11:28:26 You can. Actually, you can do both. Yeah. So if you would purchase regular website, it will still get sourced by one of our distributors. 11:28:33 That's most close to you, so you can do both whatever you prefer. 11:28:33 I got. Yeah, I know you, yeah, okay. And I believe that included with the price. 11:28:38 So there is 30, and I want to touch on this. Let's 30 min training. 11:28:44 It states 30 min training and then plus you have a bunch of video tutorials and stuff like that. 11:28:50 Yeah. 11:28:50 That 30 min training is that is that like a remote kinda training thing? Or how does that work? 11:28:51 Yeah, yeah, so that's remotely, if we have a whole support team here, that's that's help show out. 11:28:57 And it's 30 min, so it should be 30 min, but they always take longer. 11:29:01 So I'm trying to to tell them. Hey? 11:29:03 To 30 min, so I think you got easily get up to an hour if if you have the right person. 11:29:07 Awesome, sure. 11:29:07 Yeah, so you can stretch it. But if it needs, they still want ready to make sure it's all set up right. 11:29:13 You are able to get going. Everything's working. 11:29:15 We just want to make sure. That's initial. Experience is good. 11:29:19 And indeed, we have a lot of videos. We have training guides. 11:29:22 We try to really again, folks, on being simple and easy to use. 11:29:26 So that learning parts should be, yeah, should be really fun. And you should have all the kind of assets you need for that. 11:29:31 That's the. 11:29:30 Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I think, yeah, that's training. 11:29:34 That training side of things is really important. And it's really good that you, you know, provide that initial bit of setup because, you know, you can imagine somebody getting something like this through the from the mail, and then, not even knowing how to connect it to their phone. 11:29:45 Yeah, yeah. 11:29:45 You know. So it's really nice to have that. Do training like that as well. 11:29:51 And I think e-light do as well, but for the most part with this stuff, people kind of get it, and then have to use to. 11:30:02 I don't know that they do anymore. They used to have that whole setup process. 11:30:04 I don't think they do that on boarding anymore. 11:30:09 Yeah, but it's definitely a nice thing. Umhm. Alright! 11:30:10 Well, I think we should probably stop talking about this, and actually get an idea of how it works in actions. 11:30:17 So if you'd like to take a take it away. 11:30:23 Yeah, okay. 11:30:18 Yes, I will. Just connected here to my phone. And hopefully, it's the right table, because there's so many hidden. It's yeah. 11:30:31 It's Jenny's office. 11:30:31 I'm just imagining off camera. There's just a pile of table ones there. 11:30:35 They're actually right next to the air. Yeah, they're all in developing mode. 11:30:42 I got you. 11:30:41 So I have to make sure I picked the right the right one. Us. 11:30:46 Okay. 11:30:45 Oh, yeah, okay. So I have the wrong table here. But it doesn't matter, because actually, for the I'll just do an explanation of how it works and what's what for suggestion. I'm doing. 11:30:54 Okay, let's do it. 11:30:55 So I'll go into how we always start. So the basics I just already went through a little bit. 11:31:02 You connect the phone first with whatever only using. So if you're using IP phone or Android doesn't matter and you connect it with Bluetooth. 11:31:09 Once you're connected with Bluetooth, are able one, it will actually detect if you're using an iphone or android device. 11:31:14 And then, based on that, will switch to the right mode. So we have an android mode. 11:31:19 We have my phone mode. They're very similar, but it just works on the different phones and also works with Devin. 11:31:24 So I better. And that's also works. 11:31:28 Yep. 11:31:35 Yeah. 11:31:26 Excellent, just a question about Android. Quick, because, you know, with android devices they come in all sorts of different price points and performance specifications, and such is there is there certain specifications other than just because I think you needed android 9 or something like that right but other than that is there any 11:31:43 particular specifications for the device. 11:31:46 Yeah, so it's on our way. I I wouldn't know from my head. 11:31:50 Okay, that awesome. There. 11:31:54 I got you. 11:31:51 But on our website, you have a document that says like, on which phone groups like generally, I would say more than 90% of the functions work on all the phones. 11:31:59 Nice. 11:32:02 Yeah, sure. 11:32:00 But just different per phone. There might be a few tweaks yeah, so you can find on our website. 11:32:06 Okay. 11:32:09 Yes. 11:32:07 So I always recommend to do that when you're especially when you're ingrid user, you connect once. 11:32:12 The next thing you do is make sure you're either voice over or talk like aternal, and that's it. 11:32:17 You can get started. You don't need an app. 11:32:21 To use the one and just works right away. The phone things recognize it as a normal keyboard. 11:32:26 So know that's a build space. That's a keyboard. 11:32:40 Awesome. 11:32:27 And that allows us to be a little bit faster so there's no delay to using it and hearing your voice over, talk back, and we can do some my sequences so we can send really Google commands that other keywords sometimes to them basic navigation. 11:32:43 So I have my table on my hands. My fingers are resting on the 6 buttons that are just real buttons, and then, if I move my left pointing finger to the left, it's button 7 or the left navigation key, and if I my right pointing finger to the right 11:33:00 it's split an 8 on my right navigation key, and so I'll use those for navigation. 11:33:03 When I'm on the whole screen I hold button 7, and I tap it an eighth to go to an next step and the other way around to move backwards. 11:33:12 If I want to enter an app, or the once in your double tab, I press both navigation key at the same time, so when you press them at the same time, you open an app where you select an item. 11:33:21 So that's your double command. Then on a, you know, yeah, on a, if if you're using the touch screen, yeah, yeah. 11:33:25 Exactly. Yeah, exactly. If I wanna go move to the my cursor to the top of the screen. 11:33:31 It's holding 1, 2, and 3 at the same time. 11:33:33 And through the end of the screen with those games holding 4, 5, and 6 actually guys similar to a real display where you would do this if I wanna move to a next page, there is a little bit like an arrow. 11:33:49 That makes sense. 11:33:46 So I hold 1, 3, and 5. It looks like an arrow on my on my able one to go base next, and a base previous is again the opposite of 2, 4, and state to hold them down, and every time I do a function where I have to hold something down, you will fill with vibration, so that's 11:34:01 vibration is an extra full information that it works. That's there, with all shortcuts. 11:34:06 So for my home screen, my notifications, my jump to ender back in the screen. Just a little extra. Yeah. 11:34:12 Feeling this, you know, if you did it right, and that's the basics of navigation and movements. 11:34:20 Then we have 3 shortcuts that we just used to load, so we should put them on prime positions. 11:34:27 So one of them is to play and pause, voice over. 11:34:30 So sometimes, for user, just keep speaking to you. It keeps talking. 11:34:33 So if you hold button wrong, it stops so it pops, and if you want to talk again, you hold it on again. 11:34:37 Excellent! 11:34:39 The second is dictation. So if you vote button 2, you can start dictating, you will to again. 11:34:45 It stops. And it's really because we have a lot of people who don't know any Brill, so they'll start with the dictation put on button 2 is easy and 3. But then 3 holding it down is the Magic Tab, just to pick up a phone call hang it 11:34:56 have a phone call, playing balls, music playing, false videos. 11:35:00 Yeah, really, something. You use. 11:35:01 And these are the same commands, whether you're working on Android or Iphone. 11:35:05 So this is all on iphone, on Android. 11:35:07 I see. Okay, I got you. 11:35:09 It's a little difference. I actually don't know from folks on behalf like the ones you really use a lot of land right? 11:35:13 So we try to put like the prominent ones on these instructions. Yeah. 11:35:12 Yeah, yeah, and then I sing, I like about this already is that you know, if you were doing this with the touch screen we're already talking here about things which require multi-finger gestures. 11:35:26 Yes. 11:35:26 And you know, rather than having to worry about that. And we know Corey, a lot of our clients can struggle with those here. 11:35:32 You've got a much more simple, simplified, and tactile. 11:35:35 That's a multi finger and multi-tap. 11:35:40 Yeah. 11:35:37 That's a ready being single physical. But yeah, and I think you know, definitely like, I can see how this would be beneficial. 11:35:45 For even even for those clients who don't read Grail. 11:35:56 Hmm! 11:36:00 Yeah. 11:35:48 But just need an easier way to interact with the phone. Yeah, I mean, I work with a number of clients who come in with with full query Bluetooth keyboards, but only mostly cause they just want to navigate and type exactly. 11:36:02 I mean, I can see this already being a better solution. Yeah, cool. I like it. 11:36:04 Yes, and just yeah, I'm only going to do what we say. 11:36:10 Sure! 11:36:10 Consider the basic. So what I'm going over is what we do in our first 2 chapters of the of the start, or first feed, such as the Starting Guide, because there's a little more like on any other keyboard. 11:36:18 But I think that's something more advanced. If you wanna really look it up, check the manual. 11:36:22 So this is really as far as I'll normally go with navigation so how to navigate or the phone with these different functions, and then there's, of course, the part of typing. 11:36:32 So typing stor options. Dictation. So that's with button to. And the other one is typing in in Brill, typing in Brill is. 11:36:42 It's 6 little brill. So it's not 8 on that's on a most builder space. 11:36:46 It's a set with 6. What that means is that I can well put the ones to a button. 11:36:51 1, 2 is the b, one, forces c, etc., that works normally and but if I want to do something like a number, I first press the number sign, and now my A becomes a one. 11:37:02 My b becomes a 2 etc. So I just do single brill, and that way it works. 11:37:09 Okay. 11:37:07 And I can switch between grade one and grade 2 Uab and my backspace is 7 or my left memory navigation and my space is 8 right navigation key, and it's really there. 11:37:17 Yeah, basics of typing. Yeah. 11:37:16 Excellent, and just to clarify this does require the use of voice over, or talk back both from the navigation piece and especially the input piece. 11:37:28 Because you need those screen readers to be doing the translation and stuff as well right. 11:37:34 I just to verify? 11:37:36 So navigation. Yes. But you can type it. This without having voice over turned on because the phone thing, yeah recognizes a normal keyboard. So it's as if you're typing within normal keyboard on the phone. Yeah. 11:37:46 So oh, interesting! So voiceover isn't doing the Braille Trend. 11:37:50 It's not transating. Oh, interesting. Okay. 11:37:50 No, yeah. It's inside. The. It's inside theable one. 11:37:56 Okay. 11:37:56 We do the translations. So we also have a different language inside the able one. 11:37:59 And that's allows you to know. Go to technical. 11:38:03 But it allows us to sequence certain things. We send to the phone so we can do all the different interactions. 11:38:10 If, for example, what we could do is we hold one button, and we would say, Well, that means that you first go to the home screen. 11:38:16 Go for apps forwards, and then enter that app as an example. 11:38:20 Sure! 11:38:20 So you can actually, yeah, sequence multiple things by being in control of it. 11:38:24 Are these things are these, would that be like user programmable, either now or at any point? 11:38:31 Okay. 11:38:29 So moved right now. But we we are testing internally what we what we can do. 11:38:37 I can't really say anything right now if it will be there, because we're still doing a lot of testing. 11:38:38 Okay. 11:38:41 But who knows? 11:38:42 That would be a super awesome. You could just program a single button to do a load of stuff yeah, I mean, honestly, the immediate thing I think about is a lot of times people struggle with the automated voice menus. 11:38:57 And if let's say you called your doctor all the time, if you program one button to dial, the number, pause and then hit one all the time for you I mean, you know, there is a lot of really cool, use cases. 11:39:07 But there's probably a big layer of complexity around that, too. 11:39:12 Hey! 11:39:12 Especially when you only have 8 buttons, and they're using so many already. 11:39:18 So how do you start to make sure people aren't, you know? 11:39:24 Reprogramming, yeah, the right key. And then, like, it doesn't move forward anymore. 11:39:25 Yeah, yeah, this is like, yeah. 11:39:29 Couple of questions for you. So number one, is there a shortcut to activate Syria? 11:39:36 Awesome. 11:39:34 Yes, yes, if you hold down the 1, 4 and 5. 11:39:39 So the. 11:39:40 My question was the road, or I gotta assume there's one for the rotor gesture. That's always one. Yeah, that's a big one that can be a struggle. 11:39:45 Yes, yeah. And actually, so, the roads are what we did. 11:39:51 This is, we say we used to load a text that I think at least a lot of people use a lot of the roads or in texting, and that's actually one of the I would say, I it's one of the feature I like the most because we did something a little unique with text 11:40:02 editing so there's a lot of different commands like going for words, going for characters. 11:40:07 Selecting all these different percentence subsets. Someone is not going to remember all of this. 11:40:12 If you put it on so, what if we make it a little easier? 11:40:16 We just say all you have to remove. It's your left navigation key. 11:40:19 This text editing, and the opposites real weapons. So 4, 5, and 6. 11:40:23 Those are the buttons you're touching, it's actually nothing else. 11:40:27 And so what we do, same as going to a next item. 11:40:31 If I hold my left navigation in a press 4. 11:40:33 I go to a next character. I wanna go backwards I hold 4, and I press 7. 11:40:39 The opposite. Yeah. 11:40:38 So the marrying the action. Yeah. Words is 7 and 5. 11:40:55 Sure! 11:40:42 Selecting character is 7 and 4 and 5 for 4 and 5 and 7, and selecting a word, is 7 a 4, and 6, and the rotor is then on 7 and 5 and 6, because you can use it for sentences like selecting a sentence, or we send the sentence so that's all those same buttons. And it's yeah once 11:41:01 you once. It's really easy to remember. 11:41:03 So it seems like there's been a lot of logic that's gone into figuring it out the easiest way for people to learn and remember these things. 11:41:09 Yeah, yeah. And I have to say these things whenever I I feel this, people are like, Yeah, you say, so. It's mostly. 11:41:17 But it sounds like a little different things, very complex, and I agree when I say it's very complex, I would always say, to try it out, it's really when you try it. 11:41:21 But when you actually do it, yeah, yeah. 11:41:25 It's kind of flicks and makes a lot of sense. So. 11:41:26 It really is a perfect example of even even sitting down and just talking out voiceover gestures. 11:41:33 Yeah, sounds, way more complex than when you actually do the gesture. 11:41:35 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. 11:41:37 And yeah, so that makes sense awesome. Well, that is all super cool. 11:41:43 Oh, the other thing I was gonna ask you is, let's say that I'm writing text message, for example, is there a shortcut for adding a Smiley Emoji, this is just a smile. 11:41:54 No other emoji, or just a smile. 11:41:51 Yes, yes, you can. You can okay, so there's mobile short circle directly. 11:42:01 Send a Smiley, but I'm sure we can make that for you. 11:42:01 So! 11:42:07 But you can switch to this keyboard with with a single combination. Yeah. 11:42:11 Yeah. 11:42:08 Excellent. Yeah, that's really very cool. I can definitely see a lot of potential utility for a device like this. 11:42:17 And I do. I just I just keep coming back to this idea, because, like, we see a number of clients who who don't, you know, read or write. 11:42:27 Braille, but could benefit from an easier way to interact with a smartphone. 11:42:30 And so I just keep coming back to this idea of how this could help with that. 11:42:43 Yeah. 11:42:34 Yeah, I almost think in in some cases, when you introduce this to someone you don't introduced it as a bridge yeah, because I think for some individuals they're immediately going to shut down and be like, I don't know Bra it's more that this, is not a braille. 11:42:52 Input device. This is a, this is an, this is a, this is a, this is a key in your keyboard for your iphone. 11:43:04 Yeah. 11:42:58 And then, next thing you know, you're like, Oh, if you want to type A, B, it's you hit buttons one and 2, and then I guess what that's you just learn B+B exactly. 11:43:08 Yeah, actually, actually, this is exactly what we do here. In announcements, schools. 11:43:24 Nice. That was clever. 11:43:14 So in all the schools, and where children, with the visual impairments are getting their education, they have tables, and they will tell them, hey, this is just a cool game controller for your phone that's how they the teachers tell them they get started they take it home. 11:43:28 They're doing doing the many of it like, yeah. Now, I'm finally able to give them my phone. 11:43:31 Yeah, yeah. 11:43:33 And then, a few weeks later, I'm hey, by the way, you just learned to use Brill on your that's really the exact thing they're using. 11:43:39 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 11:43:43 Yup! 11:43:36 Hmm! Hmm! Oh, you that's actually really good, you know, cause this whole concept of gamifying things to help people learn like, if it is basically tricking them into learning something. 11:43:47 But I mean, if it does the job, then why not? Yep, yeah, maybe. 11:43:48 Yeah, yeah, it's all. So of course, it's not yet. 11:43:52 You know, able to read brilliant! 11:43:55 You just typing it. But it's a great way you can have to get them into. 11:43:56 Yeah, but it's a style, though. Exactly. Yeah, very cool. 11:43:59 Yeah, into, excited about it. Yeah. 11:44:01 So when did you guys officially release? Then when did all that happen? 11:44:05 Yes. So we started in September 2021. 11:44:10 That's when we launched. But that was just in the Netherlands, and I think we started in the Us. 11:44:20 Cool. 11:44:16 In July last year, but we've really been going quite slow, like State for States, and slowly rolling out. 11:44:23 And we're still in the midst of that. To be honest. Yeah. 11:44:24 Yeah, yeah, does that mean that you've originally released, like in the midst of Covid, because it wasn't I can't even remember that all started. 11:44:33 But that was that 2020? Yeah, right? 11:44:31 Oh, yes, big time. Oh, we we incorporate the company in the midst of Covid and everyone says, What are you doing? 11:44:37 Oh, my, gosh, yeah, that's amazing. 11:44:40 What are you doing? Yeah, yeah. It was it changed. But also, I don't know. Come up with creative things because we couldn't really visit people. 11:44:47 And this really what you want to try. And your like, you want to try before you're ready. 11:44:50 Yeah, for sure. 11:44:52 So we yeah, we came up with a separate fid suit to still try it without having to by it right away. 11:44:58 That's really cool. And yeah, I was, you know, all you were hearing about at the time was all the supply chain issues, and people weren't able to get the components for their you know, their products and stuff like that. 11:45:08 Okay. 11:45:08 So how was it to navigate all of all of that stuff? 11:45:10 Yeah. And let's say, those are very challenging. I think we so the regions of Iinto are from the Netherlands is the reason we actually have a few really big companies like Phillips. 11:45:20 Oh, really. Okay. 11:45:19 And Asl, and we are lucky to know some people there that are able to help us source some of the products. 11:45:27 So we're really, have to do the creative about. 11:45:27 Awesome. 11:45:31 And luckily, now that time is kind of over, we just we have some stable supply chain, and everything is fine. There. 11:45:39 Yeah, yeah. 11:45:36 Yeah, things do seem to be getting better thankfully. So what's the other weight of the table? 11:45:41 And I'm not sure if if we mentioned that. 11:45:41 It's like 90 grams. It's really light. 11:45:45 Yeah, yeah. 11:45:44 Okay, easily. Easily holdable in one hand and easy, easy to carry around in a pockets, and so on and so forth. 11:45:48 Yes, yeah, yeah, that's pretty obvious. Yeah. 11:45:53 Yeah, yeah, now, you guys do have obviously the website that we talked about. 11:45:56 So you can go onto the website and from there you are able to access some information, including information about the device itself. 11:46:06 Also some products support a demonstration type of videos and also you can purchase from there. 11:46:14 And you also have a Youtube channel which I will just bring up here. 11:46:17 We're only seeing a little a little bit of it, because the way that this is this is the setup. 11:46:22 But you have a table, one Youtube channel. And so is there a direct URL to that Youtube com forward slash table one. 11:46:31 Or what's the best way for people to get there. 11:46:33 Okay. 11:46:32 I would just search table on Youtube, table, one on Youtube, and you'll find it. 11:46:36 And it's actually quite a nice thing to follow, because there's a lot of videos coming up that just explain like specific things. 11:46:49 Excellent. Yeah. Yeah. So that that's really good. 11:46:42 For example, how to send a a Whatsapp message with a able and how to send an email, how to read the news kind of really focused on that. And it was just a good idea of how you'd use it. 11:46:54 That's like task driven kind of videos. Yeah. And that makes perfect sense. 11:46:57 Exactly. 11:46:59 That's a great way to do it. So if you have a able one, or if you're thinking about getting a table one, I think it would be definitely worth taking a visit to the Youtube Channel, because from there you'll be able to check out some videos on how things are done, and then if you have one 11:47:11 obviously you can try those out. And if you're thinking about getting one, then you can get an idea of whether you think that would be feasible for you. 11:47:24 Yeah. 11:47:18 And I did also see on your website there is a list of kind of the the different shortcuts for Android for apple as well that people can check out. 11:47:29 I think we're gonna I'd like to pick one up. 11:47:29 Yeah. 11:47:31 I think for for tech here, look, I think we'll probably do a produce video on it that first folks. 11:47:37 Crazy. 11:47:39 This means that everybody everybody out there on the on the interwebs is gonna be able to find out just how good Coy's braille is. 11:47:47 Oh, so I think a lot of people have suggestions for what call we shouldn't be typing with theable one. 11:47:56 And please send them in the better. Yeah, they' go. Yeah, I forget you don't. 11:47:59 Okay. 11:48:01 You don't do. Great! I'm not. I'm not very good with contracted brand. 11:48:06 Yeah, so, okay, I can read it decently, cause I can figure out what it is. 11:48:10 But you know, but writing it not so much. Alright. I'm very much looking forward to creating this video. 11:48:15 Perfect time to get started. Yeah. 11:48:15 Be a good time. Yeah, I got practicing correct. 11:48:20 Ly so frank. I'm curious, and you potentially can't. 11:48:23 Really you may not be able to say much of anything, but I'm just curious. 11:48:29 Hmm! 11:48:27 The future of of able and Habel won. What 5 years from now, 10 years from now, do you have any big plans that you'd like to see the product evolve into, or things you'd love to see the product evolve into or things you'd love to add in the future? 11:48:42 Yeah, yeah, so, what we were speaking about really, briefly, before going live. 11:48:46 But I I did just post on Linkedin that's at Cen. 11:48:51 I will be telling people about our new flex that's coming up. 11:48:53 I can't say anything about it right now, but in person I'm happy to tell you a little bit more so if you're attending season, please do do visits, meet plug-s. 11:49:02 The guy with a big section, and our goal is really to make a a product range. 11:49:07 So right now. The hit one itself. We already know a little ways soon make it even better, and improve even more. 11:49:14 But we also want to make sure we're not forgetting anyone. 11:49:15 So you want to make sure we have different products for different categories. 11:49:20 And in the ends. Our goals really to make all the technology accessible. 11:49:24 So whatever, whoever wants to use it want to make sure it's accessible for them, and part of that is really products. 11:49:30 Of different products that would work. But it's also a little bit on the training side, making sure that you yeah, it's easy and fun to learn to use. 11:49:38 I think, yeah. 11:49:37 Very cool. I wonder if something just popped in my head. 11:49:41 Luke, and I'm just going to throw it out, because I'm curious what you think. 11:49:44 How do you think a similar product for a windows-based computer with a screen? 11:49:52 Reader would work for those who may be struggle with a full quarter keyboard. 11:49:59 I just feel like the navigational aspects of using a computer are more complex with a phone. 11:50:06 So I don't know how it would work, but I love to see it happen. 11:50:12 I don't know how it would work, but I'd love to see it happen yeah, I almost think paired with the like. 11:50:15 Hmm! 11:50:20 Yeah. 11:50:17 Dolphin, guide, would that be? Because then you have guide doing this simple interface, and then a product like like theable one where you it's much easier than to have that limited navigation here first folks able to we're going to have a Google, guide there you go we've created it and this 11:50:34 is happening you're welcome, Frank. Well, I'll go. 11:50:38 Yeah, thanks, so much. Taking notes, sticking notes. 11:50:42 It's. 11:50:41 There you go! Well, I'm looking forward to dropping by the booth, and yes, finding out about whatever the next new exciting thing is, gonna be at at season here, and for anybody who is interested in finding out more. 11:50:56 I think we've already covered all of the bases here, so we have the websites, which is, I am able. 11:51:02 Comm, go to Youtube, and you can search for Table one and find out more that you can, of course, always call us at (404) 615-0103. 11:51:13 And also if people wanted to get in touch, dyed with you, Frank, would that be possible? 11:51:16 Hmm! 11:51:17 And if so, what's the best way to do it? 11:51:25 Okay. 11:51:19 Yeah, so it's via our email itself website, which is [email protected] and actually, one thing I would like to add is because, of course, I'm telling you it's a great product. It's amazing. 11:51:32 Really try it. But yeah, don't take my word for that from the company. 11:51:35 Yeah. 11:51:36 So what I would advise is, we have open email groups with users, hundreds of user on there who give very honest opinions. 11:51:44 So if we're running, hey, it's this something for me, or you have other questions about, like, How do people use it? 11:51:50 Or maybe you can even ask like, why some people don't like it. 11:51:52 I would just join our our forums. And that's on our website. 11:51:56 You can find us. It's just open to join. You can ask anything there. 11:52:00 We're not intervening. All we do share. 11:52:03 There's like our software updates that are out. But that's a really good way to really get honest feedback from all other people are using it. 11:52:10 And yeah, ask your questions there? As well, yeah. 11:52:11 Okay, that's great. I really appreciate the the openness of that. 11:52:16 So yeah, that's a that's a sign of it. If you ask me. 11:52:16 Okay. 11:52:18 That's a sign of a good, a good product, a good company, if they're confident enough to to be so, you know. 11:52:25 Yeah. 11:52:24 Let their users talk exactly one quick thing here I'm just about to wrap it up. 11:52:31 But I suddenly thought, there is a smartphone app for this as well. 11:52:36 Yeah, it's only out there for oh, this is like 4 weeks now. 11:52:41 Yeah, we just launched it. Yeah. 11:52:40 Oh, wow! All right, cool! What can people do with the smartphone up? Then? 11:52:45 Yes, I this moment. It's there just to do so. 11:52:48 Friday, so if you get aable one, you get live on free software at this as well, we do software. 11:52:52 Nice. 11:52:53 It's around once every 4 months, and it's not just making it more efficient. 11:52:59 Okay. 11:52:57 But also we add feature. So we last time we edit the breast and holds so you can send voice messages, and we'll set, for example, and we'll have something to do that fast booted switching things like this coming up now initially. 11:53:10 You had to plug it into your computer, run a program. 11:53:20 Yeah, sure. 11:53:13 And with a bit of software. But we really use the one only with phones that service as well would make more sense. If you can just update it that directly from your phone or tablets. So that's what the app does right now, you can just do so far updates directly over over bluetooth right now it's just Ios we're working on 11:53:30 Okay. 11:53:29 the Android version, as well, and in the future we'll also put things like support material there, extra videos, onboarding guides. 11:53:38 It's really of everything in one place. So for users. 11:53:40 Yeah. 11:53:38 Awesome, so big plans for the for the app. So yeah, if people are, if people have a table, then definitely go ahead and get the app as well. 11:53:45 Here's my suggestion for a feature. What should we call this? 11:53:50 We'll call it. Where's my table? And it will basically cause I know you've got haptics in theable one. 11:53:57 I know you have speakers, but maybe you could have a feature where we're all vibrate so you can hopefully locate it if you've lost it. 11:54:02 That's a really good suggestion. Yeah, it's a really good suggestion. 11:54:02 Oh, through the app, maybe. Yeah. Okay, I like it. 11:54:05 And let's say it might have been pulled up before, and maybe it's already in the background, being produced. 11:54:11 Maybe we can't make any promises, but maybe they are predicting the future. 11:54:11 Who knows what's ? 11:54:18 Okay, you you're gonna be the tenth and you're gonna be the tenth employee, although if you just keep giving the idea. That's my problem. Alright. Well, Frank, thank you so much for coming on here, we really appreciate it. 11:54:33 I know it's a little later over there than it is here. 11:54:34 So sorry to keep you into the evening. But thank you so much. It's been really really helpful. 11:54:37 Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much for having. It was a little fun. 11:54:40 Thanks. Yeah. 11:54:39 Yeah. Good. Yeah. For us to. And hopefully, all of our all of our viewers enjoy this and we have put the contact information out there. 11:54:47 If anybody does have questions, we are going to be live streaming from season. So you may see Frank again. 11:54:53 There when we do our live stream. We haven't exactly figured out what our formats going to be for that yet. 11:55:04 To figure out that. But anyway, anyway, that will be in that will be in 2 weeks in 2 weeks time. Yeah. 11:55:08 Yeah. 11:55:07 So this show in 2 weeks time. Yeah, so this this show. In 2 weeks time you will be seeing this live show direct. Oh, you know what I didn't even think of this to. 11:55:15 We'll have to think about if we'll. I guess we'll do if we keep 11 A. M. 11:55:20 Central cause, then that is only 9 am. Central, because then that is only 9 am. 11:55:32 Going going on on the floor. So we may even find we will send out an email to let everybody know what's happening with that. 11:55:34 And we're hoping to, you know, have maybe have some life on the show floor stuff. Maybe have some interviews with people. 11:55:38 Yeah, yeah. And once we get back from Csun, we're going to be sending out an email, not the format of tech connect, live is going to change. 11:55:48 But how you access. It might change, we are. We've gone going to be launching a new website so you are going. You can actually go and check out the schedule and past archive sessions and everything from that website and so we're going to do a session on how to do us today. 11:56:06 Exactly, but just know that that'll be coming up. 11:56:09 We may ask you to to resubscribe and re kind of create a register. 11:56:15 We apologize, but it's just something we kind of have to do. 11:56:18 But just quick heads up. That'll be coming up in the next month or so. Yes, it will. 11:56:27 And one last thing here, Frank, I just suddenly thought you did a video. All the you had, Sam, from the blind life to a video for you recently. 11:56:29 Yeah, yeah. Few weeks back, he was the video, yeah, yeah. 11:56:32 Excellent, yes, I I haven't had chance to check that out yet, but I'm sure it's very good, as these videos usually are, so that will be another way that people could get an idea if they wanted more more. 11:56:42 I think we've probably quite a lot here, but if you wanted to see even more able one, and you can always go to the blind life on Youtube, and you never. 11:56:49 It's an idios never enough that one. That's what I find. 11:56:50 Never enough! 11:56:53 Yeah, I live, deliver, breathe it all right. 11:56:58 I'm talking of you 2. We have a Youtube channel. 11:56:59 You can find it by going to youtube.com. But forward, slash! Vision forward! 11:57:03 Tech connect yeah, sort of a mouthful, but you could all the way search for tech connector as well. 11:57:09 And of course we have all of these live shows that will be up there. 11:57:14 But we also have produc videos, including our latest one on Chat Gpt. Did it cause some trouble? 11:57:20 It sure did. Yeah, if you want to see an AI taking over the vision for tech, connect studio. 11:57:25 Well, that's the video that you have. Next week it'll be the indoor navigation features of seeing Amy. 11:57:32 Yeah, which I'm quite excited about. It's it's a it's a it's an ambitious product that's a it's a. It's an ambitious product. 11:57:43 We have that. It's it's it's it's it's it's it's the literally the first 5. If you wanna see a dream sequence, then tune into the video that will be releasing actually on Saturday of this week. We decided to release on a different day just to see how that went so 11:57:56 Saturday. I'm sorry. Saturday of next week. My apologies. Jonathan got scared because he he's the one who has to edit the video and put it together. 11:58:00 Yeah, how did we not tell you? It actually needs to be in 2 days, anyway. Keep tuning to the Youtube channel. 11:58:05 Thanks again for it. 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